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Hivemindgammahydra7 04-27-2007 01:13 PM
18th Street, MS-13 going nationwide
 
As I've said, it doesn't matter whether or not you will ever come to California. In due time, California will come to you. Prepare accordingly.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55419

Big_Rob 04-27-2007 01:16 PM
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Whaddya mean? I thought that those illegal immigrants were just coming here to do the work that the Americans wouldn't.

The writer of the article must clearly be a racist!!!! ROFLMAO!!!

For real, something has to be done about this clear and present danger.

REV127 04-30-2007 02:31 AM
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This ties into much of what I have been talking about lately.

These gangs exist only because they are protected by the authorities. Everybody knows who they are because they go out of their way to identify themselves, if they really wanted the problem gone it would be dealt with already.

The good news is the more lawless a society becomes the less influence the government has over it, the more accessible justice becomes. There is a correction, just like in the markets.

I have no way of knowing all the details or ins and outs of the current situation down there, but this news article does show a glimmer of hope.

Quote:
By PETER MUELLO, Associated Press Writer
Sun Apr 29, 1:30 PM ET


RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil - For as long as anyone can remember, the cracked asphalt soccer field in the Roquete Pinto slum was off-limits to children — "reserved" by gangs selling marijuana and cocaine. Then, a few months ago, a mysterious squad of beefy men with submachine guns started patrolling on foot, and the drug dealers disappeared.
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A few days ago, while gunbattles were raging in two other Rio de Janeiro neighborhoods and bystanders were shielding their kids from the bullets, the barefoot teens of Roquete Pinto smiled and shouted as they kicked a ball around their freshly liberated field.
Startling transformations like Roquete Pinto's are increasingly visible across Rio, as for-profit "militias" made up of active and former police officers, private security guards, off-duty prison guards and firefighters evict drug gangs from slums where violence used to be out of control.
Although some worry about the implications of vigilante justice, the militias have powerful sympathizers, among them Mayor Cesar Maia, who calls them "self-defense groups" and says that compared with the drug gangs, the vigilantes are the lesser evil.
The surprise is that the gangs aren't fighting to hold their turf. In the few known cases where they did, militia gunfire turned them back.
Critics say the city risks going the way of Colombia, where violent paramilitary groups that sprang up to battle guerrillas came to hold more power than authorities in some areas.
"It's the state that establishes law and order, not the militia," said Sergio Cabral, governor of Rio de Janeiro state. "We won't accept this under any conditions."
But President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva hasn't spoken out against the militias, and it seems that law enforcement has fallen into a gray area in many Rio slums, and city authorities may be content to leave it at that as Brazil prepares to host Pope Benedict XVI next month and Rio stages the Pan American Games in July.
In this city of 6 million people, one of the world's most violent, "the police provide security for the rich" and "the militias are the security of the poor," said Marina Maggessi, a congresswoman and a former senior drug-control official. She has mixed feelings about the militias, saying they represent the "collapse of the state."
First gaining strength in 2003 as an alternative to ineffective, often corrupt police, the illegal security forces have mushroomed since late last year and now control about 90 of Rio's 600 "favelas," Maggessi said. Success in slums like Roquete Pinto, meanwhile, fuels their expansion into others.
"This place was dead," said Joao Batista dos Santos da Silva Jr., president of the Roquete Pinto residents' association. "It was war every day."
Like many slum community leaders, he refuses to acknowledge the existence of the militias, saying the cleanup is entirely the work of the police, even though there is no station in the slum, and not a single officer or patrol car was seen during two recent visits.
On the other hand, Roquete Pinto's new protectors were hard to miss: Seven big men in shorts and T-shirts, silently eating lunch in a pool hall, a submachine gun and automatic pistols on the table between their plates.
In another favela, Rio das Pedras, a woman selling shampoo on the street had no doubts. "There are no muggers and no drug sellers," said Margarida Rodrigues dos Santos, 57. "The militia won't let them in."
At Roquete Pinto's soccer field, the gangs "would come down here, shoot the place up and tell everyone to go home," said 19-year-old Rodrigo dos Santos.
Now the only reminders of the gangs are the bullet-pocked street lamps around the soccer field. Residents say robberies have become rare. Delivery trucks once barred from entering now drive through, and there's a new Internet cafe and a lively outdoor market.
There are no official estimates of how much money the militias make, but residents of one slum told the O Estado de S. Paulo newspaper that families pay $7-$14 per month. That adds up quickly in the steep hillsides where tens of thousands of families live.
Militia leaders did not respond to requests for interviews.
"They're very leery about reporters," said Jose Fontes, a member of a militia that took over the Kelson's slum last November. "The commander is in hiding and won't even answer his phone."
At least one high-ranking police officer has endorsed their work while acknowledging that they are illegal.
"The communities are now free from the traffickers," Col. Mario Sergio de Brito Duarte, who heads a special favela operations unit, said in an e-mail. "Children and teenagers living in these neighborhoods are no longer exposed to drug wholesaling."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070429/..._slum_militias

In America I do believe that others like myself would be willing to provide this service free of charge.

Tn...Andy 04-30-2007 04:51 AM
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Which is EXACTLY the militia the 2nd amendment is refering to !!

Kahlil Gibran 04-30-2007 07:07 AM
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Meanwhile the ADL is training our Police State to fear the last two eighty-year-old KKK members.


:bandito: viva la ADL

Wyldwil 04-30-2007 08:38 AM
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MS-13 has been in Florida for years now...
I also carry nearly every time I leave the house...

Hivemindgammahydra7 04-30-2007 12:55 PM
Re: 18th Street, MS-13 going nationwide
 
I've been pondering how local LE agencies outside of the big cities will deal with these hardcore gang types. LAPD knows them and how to combat them; trouble is, the courts are so corrupt, especially at the federal level, punishment for their sundry crimes is negligible.

But I digress.

I suspect that smaller P.D.'s and Sheriff's Departments in states with smaller populations and wide-open spaces (say, Kansas or the Dakotas or places like eastern Washington, etc.,) could find themselves overwhelmed by the scale of violence and willingness to use it that these thugs bring.

Things could get super-wooly, potentially.

goldbug 04-30-2007 01:07 PM
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This is more proof we must grab the guns, especially from the criminal gangs!

Even if we can't locate the outlaw gangs and get their guns, at least we can grab citizens' weapons.

This way, we can reduce the violence. The violence of people trying to protect themselves from armed violent gangs.


gunner 04-30-2007 01:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by goldbug (Post 591084)
This is more proof we must grab the guns, especially from the criminal gangs!

Even if we can't locate the outlaw gangs and get their guns, at least we can grab citizens' weapons.

This way, we can reduce the violence. The violence of people trying to protect themselves from armed violent gangs.
Agreed !!

Too many guns in Amerika falling into the wrong hands as evidenced from the article. Disarming everyone keeps everyone safe, it's why we have police and courts, to do the work citizens are incapable of doing.

G-khan 04-30-2007 01:25 PM
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LA does not handle them they live with them...

Ask your self - what is the glue and force that holds these gangs together and gets them to spread..

It is because drugs are illegal and the money it brings in for the heads of the gangs..

When I was working in the MN prison system I got to speak with a gangster from Detroit - he was 20 and had been shot on 3 separate incidents with a grand total of 9 bullet holes in him. I asked him how he ended up in Minnesota?

Well he said when he was 12 an older gang member hired him to stand on the street corner and sell crack and he made about 100 bucks a day. The older guy would never hold the drug but did carry a gun and watched from across the street.. Well by the time he was 13 or 14 he was buying his own crack and selling it with a few other kids his own age.. Soon he was buying the cocaine and making the crack and was buying ounces at a time. Well before long he could buy pounds and kilos of it but he did not have anywhere to sell it.. So he and a few others he grew up with looked around and saw MN as a good place to open up shop as they could get very good prices in MN..

To make a long story short these gangs are held together and move around because drugs are illegal ....

IMO drugs should be legalized and sold like they were before the 1914 Harrison Act! Before then you could buy heroin and cocaine in the drug store..

As far as I am concerned people should be able to ingest whatever they want .. Let them drink draino if they want to - we should not babysit anyone. Now if they go out and do something that messes with the liberty of others or harms them it should be against the law..

Chop the head off these gangs by legalizing drugs and instead of shipping all the revenue out of country via the drug cartels and gangs let the local legal drug vendors and growers keep that money here..

It is not the role of government IMO to say "no you can't eat that" to say peyote, opium, marijuana etc. that God, or whatever created, and it grows and why is government stepping in to say you can't eat or smoke or whatever something that is already on this earth.. That should be my choice and I don't need no big daddy government to tell me what to do..

By the way I don't use any drugs including alcohol speaking of alcohol it is as bad a drug as they come if you are hooked on it..

goldbug 04-30-2007 01:29 PM
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We can also ban drinking water on airplanes, free speech, vitamins, water for dehydrated people, herbal remedies, left shoes, and floride free water . . .

for your protection!

gunner 04-30-2007 01:32 PM
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In order to maintain a police state - you first need criminals to cause havok and scare the sheeple. If not enough criminals exist, you must create them or allow them to flourish. In order to grow the gov't and it's power, you must provide the need to justify it's existance.

It's never been about the citizens/civilians - in the federalist view, we exist to support them.

Tn...Andy 04-30-2007 01:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gunner (Post 591115)
In order to maintain a police state - you first need criminals to cause havok and scare the sheeple. If not enough criminals exist, you must create them or allow them to flourish. In order to grow the gov't and it's power, you must provide the need to justify it's existance.

It's never been about the citizens/civilians - in the federalist view, we exist to support them.
EXACTAMUNDO !

and why street drugs will never be legal.

gunner 04-30-2007 02:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tn...Andy (Post 591126)
EXACTAMUNDO !

and why street drugs will never be legal.
Absolutely - you'll need a doctor's prescription for anything you want (or will be mandated to take) including vitamin C ...big Pharma will see to it :banghead: :banghead:

wallew 04-30-2007 02:34 PM
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Gkhan,
While a noble idea, you need to understand one thing.

All that money made be the sales of drugs is filtered through our economy and our banking system. Trust me when I say no banker will ever admit to doing business with drug dealers.

But looking the other way when someone deposits just short of the reportable minimum IS doing business with drug dealers. The bankers just add fees to these peoples accounts and no one complains.

Simple really. It's not really about the drugs. It's about the money. And the power that comes with said money. And the head of the MS-13 gangs is but a 'weigh station' for that money.


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